msrewind: ((n) serious)
msrewind ([personal profile] msrewind) wrote in [community profile] peterverse2016-03-17 10:40 am

brockton bay heroes, meet plant tinker

Time elapses. Rewind is allowed to leave her prison- er, hospital room. She needs to go around on a wheelchair, and it'll still take at least a month for her bones to mend completely, and she needs help to move around and do stuff. But she definitely won't complain about being able to eat real food more often (she is very thankful for the bot bringing her takeout), and she can keep riding along with paramedics even when she can't really move around a lot.

And one of these days, while she's in an ambulance, something lands on it, rocking the vehicle and startling her from her thoughts. The ambulance stops, and whatever it is makes noises as if it's moving and then jumps off it. Rewind twists to see through the window, and-

"Console, a really weird leafy monkey just jumped on the ambulance and then off it," she says into her comm.
thinkering: (h ~ thinker)

[personal profile] thinkering 2016-03-20 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
"I ask it on a regular basis. If it feels the need to hide whether or not it has woken up from me I'm not going to argue with it as long as it's not doing weird shit behind my back, and I do keep an eye on what it's concretely doing."

[personal profile] mrglam 2016-03-20 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
"But I mean, would it actually know? What if it's not a sudden switch or something? How would it even tell?"
thinkering: (Default)

[personal profile] thinkering 2016-03-20 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
"Warning signs I also ask about are having preferences about things, fearing ego death, and unusual quality of sensory awareness."

[personal profile] mrglam 2016-03-20 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
"Hm, yeah, I suppose those are as good indicators as any."
thinkering: (h ~ thinker)

[personal profile] thinkering 2016-03-20 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
"I thought so."

[personal profile] mrglam 2016-03-20 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
"But on the other hand we did evolve those in response to stimuli the bot doesn't necessarily have."
thinkering: (f ~ cape)

[personal profile] thinkering 2016-03-20 07:58 pm (UTC)(link)
"We evolved personhood in response to stimuli the bot doesn't have."

[personal profile] mrglam 2016-03-20 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
"Yeah, that's what I'm saying."
thinkering: (h ~ thinker)

[personal profile] thinkering 2016-03-20 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
"So maybe my concern's unfounded, but it can sure pass a Turing test."

[personal profile] mrglam 2016-03-20 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
"Which can mean pretty much anything."
thinkering: (f ~ cape)

[personal profile] thinkering 2016-03-20 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
"What do you mean?"

[personal profile] mrglam 2016-03-21 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
"Well, the Turing test was supposed to identify that an AI woke up, so yours could in fact be awake and we just don't really know it. Maybe it's more continuous than that, maybe self-awareness isn't all it's cracked up to be, et cetera. On the other hand the Turing test may just not be as good as all that at identifying personhood."
thinkering: (h ~ thinker)

[personal profile] thinkering 2016-03-21 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
"No, the test was supposed to be a more testable question than 'is it awake'."

[personal profile] mrglam 2016-03-21 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
"Huh. Really? I'd thought it was something like being as intelligent as a human or something."
thinkering: (e ~ mover)

[personal profile] thinkering 2016-03-21 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
"I mean, it gets summarized sort of like that. But it's actually a pretty narrow-domain skill test. The original formulation calls for a text channel only, even."

[personal profile] mrglam 2016-03-21 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
"I wonder if I could tell a real-you from a bot-controlled copy if it were trying to fool me."
thinkering: (i ~ tinker)

[personal profile] thinkering 2016-03-21 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
"...I don't know. It does a really good me and I don't think we've ever been alone somewhere it couldn't hear. The helmet mic can pick up conversations in the house from the closet."

[personal profile] mrglam 2016-03-21 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
"We should test that. It'd be fun."
thinkering: (Default)

[personal profile] thinkering 2016-03-21 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
"If you'd find it entertaining, sure, why not."

[personal profile] mrglam 2016-03-21 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
"I'm a weird person," he declares. "And yeah, testing my skills at people does sound entertaining."
thinkering: (d ~ shaker)

[personal profile] thinkering 2016-03-21 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
"Do you want to say what tells you'll be looking for or keep them secret?"

[personal profile] mrglam 2016-03-21 01:16 pm (UTC)(link)
He kisses her on the cheek. "I don't really know what tells I'll be looking for until I see them, I think. I mean, if I sit down for a while I could maybe come up with a list? But it wouldn't necessarily be complete or anything if there's something I didn't remember at the time."
Edited 2016-03-21 13:16 (UTC)
thinkering: (Default)

[personal profile] thinkering 2016-03-21 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
"I mean like are there specific questions you expect us to answer differently."

[personal profile] mrglam 2016-03-21 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
"Right, and I mean that I don't know, I won't be interrogating both of you, I don't think interrogating you would work."

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